Subject	Wall St Journal last week did an article...
Posted by	Technomancer on January 30, 2006 at 3:16 PM
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In Reply To	It takes takes more fossil fuel to produce ethanol posted by mattztt on January 30, 2006 at 03:00 PM
Message	Current push in a small cattle town is to use manure as the power source for making ethanol. Solves two problems at once. Manure piles up at 50ft x 6 ft x 4 ft PER DAY. Ranchers have to pay to have it hauled away. This way, the manure cost is much smaller or even negative. Energy cost to make the ethanol doesn't come from oil. It's a small effort so far, but people are paying attention to it. - John
Follow Ups	Ethanol fuel in the news on CNBC TV @ 4pm EST - WildBillZx 14:30:00 01/30/06 Died in the 80's? You might want to inform Brazil of that. - Spee 14:35:56 01/30/06 I know, its already here. - WildBillZx 14:45:26 01/30/06 I heard it takes more energy to create ethanol than - AzHeat 14:44:53 01/30/06 I've heard the same. Its benefit will be that it might be - Zirvana 14:57:21 01/30/06 which will be LOOOONG after we're gone. (n/m) - Spee 15:00:11 01/30/06 It takes takes more fossil fuel to produce ethanol - mattztt 15:00:47 01/30/06 Wall St Journal last week did an article... - Technomancer 15:16:27 01/30/06 You forgot the government subsidy part. (n/m) - Kenny 15:19:48 01/30/06 Actually, I don't remember anything about a subsidy (n/m) - Technomancer 15:26:49 01/30/06 $10+ billion in ethanol subsidies since 1980. - Kenny 15:29:11 01/30/06 More accurately,40Billion+ in corn subsidies in last 10 year - whatsthegoodword 17:00:22 01/30/06 Plus, this is why you have to go to Mexico to get your coke. - whatsthegoodword 17:01:39 01/30/06 I'm talking the future, not dwelling on the past. (n/m) - Technomancer 09:50:02 01/31/06 I read that article too. Local cattle farmers in Texas have - Zirvana 15:59:44 01/30/06 not really - wilkendw 15:42:08 01/30/06 One by-product of ethanol production around here is a - Zirvana 16:06:28 01/30/06 Growing and harvesting is what uses energy - mattztt 16:20:03 01/30/06 We need to work on solar power. - Kenny 15:15:23 01/30/06 Nuclear is the only way forward right now, methinks. - Technomancer 15:25:43 01/30/06 The waste is a bit of a problem... - Kenny 15:34:28 01/30/06 We can fire the waste into the sun! (n/m) - johnnysombrero 15:38:31 01/30/06 Fantastic idea. - Kenny 15:42:46 01/30/06 Actually ... - NytWolf 15:48:52 01/30/06 That doesn't absolve their responsibility. - Kenny 15:57:41 01/30/06 Is this a shuttle forum? (n/m) - ssm300z 16:30:36 01/30/06 You can read all about that on snopes.com - Dustin 17:13:43 01/30/06 Interesting, I heard them talking about it on talk radio (n/m) - NytWolf 18:07:05 01/30/06 my thoughts exactly!! (n/m) - apudapus 02:11:39 01/31/06 MY question on that has always been, ..... - Ash's Z 18:07:13 01/30/06 They are trying to do that by burying the stuff under a - Technomancer 09:55:45 01/31/06 Nuclear technology is far safer than it was in the 80's - WildBillZx 16:51:29 01/30/06 Average US Solar flux is 2.6 W/M^2 - Sonar 16:25:15 01/30/06 These folks are doing OK. - mattztt 16:39:17 01/30/06 With a back up generator and crystalline PVs - Sonar 16:50:01 01/30/06 I don't think that figure is quite right. - Kenny 16:47:00 01/30/06 Yup. They use thermal flux and/or peak output. - Sonar 16:53:53 01/30/06 Good information. - Kenny 16:57:05 01/30/06 Use of quantum dot solar cells will get the price to less - Zirvana 16:48:08 01/30/06 You're completely leaving out the element of time - Dustin 17:21:41 01/30/06 Hydroelectric is simply the best for energy. - Chase86 16:51:22 01/30/06
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